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Any other opinions?

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Well, obviously we could go to extremes:
Kill Eduard, throw out the Priest, destroy the cathedral, and punish anyone who says "boo" about us. We could also overthrow the King, conquer Europe, destroy the Muslims etc. Chris mentioned something about why nobody wants to come and see us is because we have this mist around us...of course he was refering to 'mortals' (though he didn't realize it), who are afraid of us. He said that was why the other mages didn't want to see us..I referred him to the fact that if we didn't have the mist, any mages who stopped by wouldn't be there for our health....but I ramble....

I think that if you want to show everyone that we are *^%&% kickers, we should raid MW. We know they have a Rego supply, and we should try to find that....and take it from them. Once we start pounding other Covenants, we will have demonstrated that we are in good shape.

First we should kick out Eddy.

we need to establish what dave said as a reality. We need to enforce the idea that coraish is in a healthy autum and is enjoying the benefit of the wisdom of our elder mages and the vitality, tenacity and determination of our younger mages. How exactly we do this i have no clue. Without starting another discusion on Sir Eduard, thats one thing that is hurting us that we need to deal with.

I don't think AFF's response indicates anything bad for us. They admit that they have had good relations with us in the past, and that quivik and paulette we're on good terms in the past. They say that right now they have no reason to ally with us becuase they think we can't offer anything to them, and i don't blame them. They think we're a group of wet behind the ears mages hiding behind michelle and paulette and as a covenant we have nothing to offer them. I think our trip as far as the covenant was concerned was not beneficial, although i don't think it was bad for us. If we had used a season on the travel i would say we had wasted it.

I think we have alot of work to do to throw off the image that AFF has of us, and probably most of the tribunal has of us. We need to establish ourselfs as a strong covenant. Dave bluffed quivick by saying the new mages in the covenant were giving coraish the vitatlity of youth, as oposed to beig dragged down by mages who can't hold their own.

Dave, since we now have the Baron's heir's name, could you spend some time buttering him?

Library determination: It could be inside my sanctuary. General opinion is that it should be.

Oh the Covenants: I think it's very important that "Fool's Fate" is very reserved towards us, and our offer of alliance. I think this bodes ill for us. Any opinions?

Nate: Do you have any opinion about replacing the archer?

Chris, can you give us a run down of your encounter?

Actually, we've made some serious inroads into the library. The thing is that its such a large job, it's going to take a long time...

Floor plans: Agreed. I have no real clue how things are laid out.

Other Covenants: Well, from what I see, Our brotherhood of mages is more like the Hatfields and Mcoys....Without trying to be negative, I don't think its possible to form any REAL alliance or permanant relationship. Any relationship is bound to be a "What can YOU do for ME" situation. I think if we can acomplish our last goal (power), then the other groups will fall in line...

Finishing the Quarters and getting new servants:
I think Nate's Companion should be responsible for replacing the grogs. He oversee's them, so he would know when it needs doing.
Dave's companion should be the one to find us a new autocrat (when marco goes). He has the conections in town and about to find someone capable.

I'm glad someone agrees that working over the heir is a good idea. I think this is Dave area...

Jason: Can you take care of the construction? You once hinted at the fact you could do Earth magic...

Allies?: Nate- You seem to be interested in making good relationships with our allies, and patching things up with 'others'. Perhaps you could patch things with the local faeries? Maybe by returning the ORIGINAL book they want? (make a copy) Maybe you could exchange that book for ANOTHER book? They know we have it, so negotiating might, might, be benificial. Just don't give away anything....

Money: Can we increase our sheep herd? Perhaps with a little magic, we could increase our herd, and sell some of it at the fair...
If anyone can suggest an item, I would be willing to make something to sell at the upcoming meeting...

i think we would benifit from some floor plans. i dont like argueing over such petty things like where is the acess to the library. we have several things that need to taken care of.

1 we need to set up a system of negotions and alliances with cvanants in france. this will include votes at tribuanals and trades for vis and books.

2 we need to set a long term solution into action for our noble problem. then we need to get rid of the over seer and install the replacement. i suggest we convince the counts heir that we are good people and we should have the same status of a town council.

3 we need to completely finish the library and complete construction of new grog quarters.

4. we need to either start to get involved in the finances of the covanant or find a replacement for our autocrat. we should also start looking for alternative sources of money.

5 we also need to improve our abillities and become powerful enough to defend what we own.

if we dont figure out how to do all five of thease above things our covanant will slip to winter. in fact i think this cronicle has changed from preventing winter to leaving winter. we have not accomplished anything that will allow us to cross off one of thoose five goals

I'm pretty sure we resolved that the Library is part of the "private area" belonging to the mage who has that particular lab.

Something like "you need to go through that mage's lab to get to the library".

Let's confirm with Mr Morehouse.

-DC

If I recall, my lab is attached to the library...hence the reason the lab goes with it. I don't recall the library being IN the lab.

what if francios is possed or enticed by demons? if we cant come up with a system to ensure that what happened to the library before dose not happen again then i dont think we should bother fixing the library. i for one dont like the i dea that one man can determine my course of study and determine when i get a book. since francios has such control over the books he could give me a book 11 days into a season. he has stated before that he allows people to enter the library when has rthois changed?

I don't think the warding ritual is a good idea.

1. High cost. It takes a lot of vis to cast any ritual worth casting.

2. "Only those present". So... we need to cast it not only every time someone joins the covenant, but every time someone leaves? This is too much.

3. Too high level. Teleport is a 35th level spell (ReCo). I suspect the "teleport trap" you're proposing would be 45-50th level. Who is going to develop such a high level spell?

Look. The Library is inside Francis' Sanctum. That means only Francis should have access. Anyone who wants a book needs to ask Francis to retrieve it. That's part of the responsibility of the librarian.

Francis is going away for several seasons? Well, we work it out. Ask him for 2-3 books to "tide you over" while he's gone. Or, if he has an apprentice, have the kid take over as Librarian while Francis is gone. Or, if Francis is really trusting, he can give certain mages permission to enter his Sanctum to retrieve books.

Whatever wards or traps Francis wants to put on the entry to his Sanctum is his business.

Just my thoughts,
-DC

Yes, I had thought of that...
.....You don't have to CAST the ritual, just take part (participate) in it. If you have MR/Parma that stops the spell from identifing/transporting you, you can't get to the library. If you weren't a participant of the ritual, don't have any MR (or lowered it) and you go into the portal, you get toasted. Did I miss anything?
Superior warding? Warding is based on the assumption that your ward is stronger than EVERYONE. I think it a little bit of a stretch to ASSUME that any "wall" we put up can't be knocked down. Even if the person isn't as skilled, he could put a bucket load of Vis into it and blow the doors off the spell...after all, why put up a wall if you don't have something important to defend. If someone blows a "bucket load" of Vis to blow my "door " down, they still haven't gotten into the library...and their bucket is empty :twisted: You want first shot at 'em?
Nate: this is the same general feeling I have towards our "mist". Any mage(s) determined enough, could put a load of Vis into destroying our protection. Of course there is a spell that allows mages to combine their power too...same result though: destroyed spell.

i dont like the affected parma thing i like the idea of a supieior form of warding it will keep the lesers out. one thing you might not of thought of is that that would mean there would be no access granted to assistants or apprenticers.

Depends of the system.

Proposal: Lets say we all participated in a ritual protection spell (item). The spell would allow anyone who participates in it, to remove things from the library. Anyone who did not participate in the ritual, would not be able to remove a book (forcefield? Book returns to shelf? Thief transported to dungeon?) Optionally, anybody not involved, would not be able to read anything in the library. The other option is to make the entrance to the library magical...a portal. To enter you have to participate in a ritual binding you to it (as above), and then to physically enter, you must drop your parma to get through...(to be affected by the spell). If you didn't participate in the ritual, all kinds of bad things would happen to you :twisted: . If you don't drop your parma, you can't be transported, hence you can't get there. (Nate: I checked the book, and yes, you can selectively drop your parma to allow a spell to affect you).

i dont feel comfortable with security systems on the books. if we hide or obscure what they are we run the risk of the same problem coming up.

Pig latin. Orpusca Ewentyta... Etc..

Pig latin. Orpusca Ewentyta... Etc..

I agree. We still have to come up with a security system though...hmmm...let me kick it around.

we should label them with there names and what they do. numbers still allow the librarian or some other person to scerew up our book records and put us right back where we were.

no, they are labeled..with numbers....

We should probably ask chuck.. Because if we havn't said anything to him they're probly not labeled at all

I think the books are numbered...kinda like the Dewey Decimal system..

the issue is not just where the book is according to the index butif books are not labeled then someone could move their books arround and make the list useless.

I don't understand where the security issue comes from. We have a mist that you need like a 45 magic resistance to get through, then you STILL need to sneak thru the covenant. And, honesty, if someone can get thru the mist, i say let them have what they want becuase we can't stop them.

amen to that...

There still is a security issue...hmmm....

let me look into it.

well we could label them in a code and still keep the same level of security. Or we could make several copies of the index and give them to senior mages to keep. We could update the 'spare' index's once every couple of years. I understand the need for security, but don't want to see the same thing happen again. I think we've learned that security is out-weighed by the twenty years of work it will take to find out what each book is, and the hundred plus years to identify each spell.

I thought that when the books were restored, someone was writing on the cover, or just inside, what it was...

Most libraries are like this.

The Librarian thought his new "index" system was a security measure. You can't sneak in and find the best books.

The weakness, of course, is if the Index book is destroyed. Just like the index file on a Hard Drive; the info is still there, but you don't know how to find it.

-DC

Murph brought up a good point when i was talking to him earlier, our indexing system for the library a description of where the book is. like "The creo 20 book is on shelf 14, third from the bottom". We should start actualy labeling each book so we never have a problem like we have now again.

Jason:

I'm home. Your the busy one...having just moved. When ever is timely for you...

ok we should get together at the next session snd work out what im doing. or i could call you.

I figured that a listing of available time might be useful.

1189:
Spring, Summer

1190:
Spring, Summer, Winter

1191:
Summer, Winter

1192:
Summer, Fall, Winter

1193:
All

Let me know if you want to devote some time.

Ah, point taken..but at heart, I'm a Mage

im not sure what your companion is but if you are dedicated to the lab/librarian mage then your companoion should be where you seek to find your adventures and role playing fun.

Nate companion and mine share only the "Bruiser" aspect. The rest of their abilities are different,,,but unused.

i know what you mean i was used to playing in d&d style games where there is a party and everyone works together. in this system you make oyur own goals and are required to compartamentalise information from your 2 seperate characters. it is tricky but fun in its way. you could always make characters with more personality traits that wncourage coroperation. i am not playing a secretive character but i am playing one that yhas his own demons to confront. he has goals he must accomplish by himself and that is why he stays in a tower away from the others. the library drew us all together because the library needs to be in good order for us to eventually accomplish great things. the greeat things you choose to accomplish are up to you. i have not decide what my long term goal is yet but i have an idea. i dont think you should adjust the way your librarian thinks he seems very interesed in helping others and working on the major task he took on. thoose are good things you should also find something that is fun for you and fits your character. you dont have to solve every problem or run the covanant. i suggest mabye concentrating on your companions goals for awhile. thats what i am doing since my mage needs to study for several years befroe his plans come to furition. remember if you want to you can always make a new companion and perhaps you and nathan should disscuss such an option since you both seem to have companions that are similar. the other thing is that unlike d&d you dont have to go on adventures we could shut our characters up for years and study. that might not be the best idea but we could choose to do that. just some things to think about.

When you post a "Do you have a problem...", it generally sounds challenging. Fortunately, I KNOW you are a good guy, who likes to poke fun at everyone. I therefore thought you were prodding me... hence the smiley....
Problematic: Well, as I said, it started off as my project (conceptually). When I introduced it, to get my resources, I was told it was Covenant work (shrug). With the approval of the High- mucky- mucks, it didn't occur to me that I should have asked for input from anyone (or that anyone would be that concerned). I did ask Dave for assistance (which he provided ), so again, it really wasn't a secret. If you feel that you need to keep the things you do quiet, thats okay with me. (I generally see that everyone is keeping everything they do a secret anyway.)
The really shocking thing for me is the general trend towards self centered behavior. I have queried about this, and the general response has been "Thats the way mages do things....its in the book" (or something generally like that). When I started, I thought it was going to be an "All for one" party concept. The work on the library seemed to indicate this group concept. Since self-centered behavior seems to be the way things are being done, I will adjust my thinking.
Guidelines: I don't really have an opinion. It would seem, based on what I've found, that nobody tells anyone anything anyway. What's the difference? I would suggest you take up with the decision makers....I'm just the librarian. :roll:

i am sorry that you percive an atitude from my posts. i will endever to post more like mr. data to prevent confusion. my last post was merely a clarification of a previous post. i only sought to confirm to you that i had no problem with your actions and asked if you thought my proposed course of action would not meet with the current gudlines of covanant work, or if you might see my course of action as problomatic.

as I said: "OK". : You seem to be the one with the attitude :

i have no problem with that at all. i did not say that. i only stated that i will do my work for the covanant and when you need to be informed of what i did you will be. is there something wrong with that?

Huh...I guess it didn't sign me in..

ok.

If you have a problem with the senior mages making MY project a Covenant project, speak with CHM. It was their choice to do so, not mine.

ok then i will discuss my contribution to the covanant with a senior mage in secret and mabye some day you will know of all that i do to protect you. i am not sure if you will ever be cleared for such information:(

Dave's project is personal. His time was his own. He did spend a season helping me finish the project.

My project WAS approved by the senior magus. In fact, when I went to them, one of the things that I asked them, was if they could lend me the additional Vis I needed. I was told that I was expected to use the Covenants Vis, because it was a Covenant project. With the exception of the Vis aquired via trade, from Mary, all the Vis came from the Covenant. The Vis aquired from Mary was a simple one for one trade, so all the Vis came from the Covenant.

Ed? Who knows. He didn't show Saturday, and he knew about it (as per....). The general opinion was therefore: If/when he shows up, we will start to consider him a member. Of course, this means he doesn't get any of the benny's either...ie no Vis.

what about ed? daves pet project dose not matter if the covanant dose not agree it is a good idea. and your project really should not count tworards your covaant participation since you did not get the aroval of the covanant to work on it as your obligation.

...which is why I am keeping a listing . To get it to be used every season...it seems everyone was busy.
I do know that Laetus did copy the Rego book, and that occupied some time, so he didn't need to scan. Adonnis had a pet project and helped me finish mine. Nate doesn't matter, because that character left. His new one is scannning this year I believe. The Npc is generally scanning every Fall. If you want more participation, ask them (I did, remember). I just hand them out, and keep track of who's got 'em.
7/4 I know it should be easy. With almost twice the number of mages to seasons....which is why I asked for people to copy books.....
Banking? Ah, maybe thats why I don't have you down...

oh and we need to make sure tha monical is used every month. with 7 people and 4 seasons that should not be a problem

i know i used it once. i will try to figure that out for you. i used it when i first joined because i wanted to bank time for the next year to study.

I don't have any info(unburied) for the years listed. I listed out the times that the monocle is available for you to fill in. You can choose to use any that suit you.